Be … A quick check of a loading manual will tell the difference between a 284 and a 7-08, or a 7x57. For those that don’t enjoy forming brass, Alpha Munitions and West Texas Ordnance have recently partnered to produce top quality factory brass. I’m afraid, despite Forbes’ best efforts and the 284’s inherent qualities, this round is history, especially with Remington’s 7mm SAUM and Winchester’s 7mm WSM, two even more powerful short-action 7s, on the market. Recoil management is certainly required. This cartridge, chambered in the model 7 rifle, is appreciated for its ability to produce high power from a small, ultra-light weight platform. However, since you say elk, while the 6.5 is adequate, it is not optimal. I've never had a 7mm-08 but have had several 7x57's. Both the 7mm SAUM and the 7mm WSM achieve optimal ballistic results when using bullet weights from 120 to 160 grains. The result is a high-pressure case capable of noticeable performance improvements over the 7mm-08. Well, we think we’ve got as close as it gets here and both of us probably need to eat a little bit of humble pie… which is difficult, because chewing while you’re grinning ear to ear at the rifle you built generally results in pie crumbs going everywhere. TDCC sheet 7 mm Rem. Rifling Twist: 1:10 3. Hunting. Remington introduced the 7mm Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM) cartridge in 2002 to compete with the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum cartridge. In a recent gun article, take their opinions as you will, but they listed the 7mm WSM as a "bad bet" to succeed. I think the 7mm SAUM will never be very popular due to lack of those things. I have a 7mm-08 Rem on a trued 700 action #6 Krieger 9 twist cut @ 22" in a bedded McMillian BDL stock. While assessing different cartridges, you could have a general idea about their characteristics if you carefully research their development history. These two short mags are comparable in power, any difference is minor, with somewhat superior design going to the SAUM; but there are quite a few other caliber choices that would serve as well and open up rifle selection a lot. The result is a high-pressure case capable of noticeable performance improvements over the 7mm-08. Minuteman. Sep 12, 2016 #1 A few days ago I got a good deal on a little lightweight 7mm-08. Real happy with mine. Have things changed drastically over the past few months or so? Yes. or how about a 7mm-08 ? Reactions: Rmk9494, IHFarmer07 and Simia Dei. Rifling Twist: 1:9 to 1:10 3. Mar 18, 2018 1,820 831. Report. Re: 6mm vs 6.5mm vs 7mm: What would you choose? The 7mm-08 is a necked-down version of the.308 Win. You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. Mag. Report. They seem to be sorted now (thanks to a mid-shoot switch to MDT magazines!). I chose to run Berger 180-grain VLDs as the do-it-all competition/hunting bullet. 1 of 2 Go to page. While Brooky went to town and neck turned everything, we did find that you can substantially overcome this issue by using a quick and easy two stage forming process: before FL sizing, run the 308 brass into a tapered die that reduces the upper portion of the neck. So, Brooky scored a moral victory with Trollhammer’s ‘do it all’ credentials… which was quickly followed by a moral victory to Bourney as we agreed that the next PDI project is a pair of Ultralight 7mm SAW Pack Rifles in the new Bolly Featherweight Stock – a super-exciting new product in the testing phase, which will be perfect for those looking to shave ounces and those (like Brooky) that prefer enjoy classic lines in a hunting rifle. Ballistics and long range tests test the theory. The all-rounder rifle has been Brooky’s constant quest, while Bourney has giggled and shaken his head in the background at the various efforts. The single digit ES’s that we’re consistently getting from this rifle mean that its waterline is superb at long range; the furthest we’ve tested it is 1100m and it held ½ moa elevation; with the Tangent Theta 315M we run out of elevation at about 1200m but that’s more than enough for this rifle! Minuteman. As one of the first few 7mm SAWs in Australia, Brooky was really relying on Clayton to provide some early suggestions and data – and the WTO website does a great job of this, including finer details like brass comparisons and barrel length tests. sierracharlie338 Sergeant . ... Blacktail Deer Hunting: 2014 Ruby's 2x2 Blacktail Buck - 340yds - Howa 7mm-08 - Vortex Optics - … But when you compare heavy bullets, grain for grain, the 7mm-08 offers better ballistics. Minuteman. Joined May 5, 2015 Messages 977 Location Rockford, MI. The 7mm SAUM currently retains a small following. The recently named ‘Trollhammer’ (don’t ask) has firmly established its ability to handle a range of shooting environments, most recently in the exact scenario it was built for – the 2019 ICWC plus a five day backpack Sambar hunt. You can get good hunting accuracy from a single pass of 308 brass through a 7mm SAW FL die. Not referring to 7mm SAUM. Reply. Sometimes the Email us button fails when it is sent from a email system like outlook. I have ruled out the 6mm because I want a caliber suitable for game in my area,Mulies and Elk). 7mm Remington Magnum (7.2x64mm) 1. More Hunting. 6.5 Saum is a great cartridge! Comparison between the 7mm-08 and the .270win. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .338 Lapua Magnum vs 7mm-08 Remington ammo rounds. In this video you will see a 7mm RSAUM built on a Bat Model MB action test fired. 7mm-08 or 280 Posted By: TopCat Re: 7mm SAUM vs. 7mm WSM - 08/15/07. Discussion Starter • #1 • Dec 21, 2017. Go. In its debut season it has been dogged by costly feeding issues – no shame on the rifle, purely our fault for constantly tinkering with magazine and bottom metal combinations. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. 7 Saum found in: Lyman Bleacher Loading Block for Rifle .565 Hole Size - 50/rds, SmartReloader Rifle Ammo Box #8 32/rds, Lyman Brass Smith Bushing for Case Trim Xpress #22 7mm Rem SAUM .300 Rem SAUM, RCBS AmmoMaster/ Piggyback.. It’s a simple process, but why bother when you can buy a 7mm-08 Rem., a variety of factory loads and come within about 60 fps of 284 Win. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per … The project also reinvigorated the tussle over a particularly juicy bone of contention here at PDI: can you have a ‘do it all rifle’? The 7mm SAUM is an impressive long-range performer. It's 5.5lbs without the scope. Latest. Bullet: 7.8 mm 4. ABN 36 609 442 702, © Precision Defence Industries | PDI 2021, Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), see our discussion on the ultimate mountain rifle scope here, (images for those that really want to know are in here). I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Can two smaller rounds beat their “parent” 308 Winchester? Next Last. Weighing in at exactly 9lbs including with a Tangent Theta 315M (see our discussion on the ultimate mountain rifle scope here), bolt and magazine, the rifle is light enough to carry for days… and Brooky has. The 7mm SAUM is a popular choice in f-class shooting, and has been used to take home multiple championships in this discipline. Carbon wrapped barrels are really taking off. However, for those persnickety folks like Brooky who agonise over minor details, you may notice slight variances in your neck walls with this method; it’s almost unavoidable given the amount of brass you’re trying to condense in forming this case. TC Posted By: oldguns Re: 7mm SAUM vs. 7mm WSM - 08/15/07. A. ahhshoot Sergeant . PX Member. 3 Posts . Tha… … Why take two rifles, when surely one could do the job for both adventures? At the time I built it I decided that going A.I. The 7mm-08 is based on the .308Winchester cartridge, necked down to 7mm. our PDI 7mm SAUM weighing in at 8.5lbs, or 308 at 7lbs). If elk is more than a one every few years kind of adventure, of the 2, the 7mm would be my choice. It’s covered many miles in the Southern Alps of New Zealand chasing chamois and red deer, and most recently spent 5 days backpacking through the Victorian High Country after Sambar stags. I think the 7mm SAUM will never be very popular due to lack of … In the PRS world of light recoiling 6mm’s the 7mm SAW does pack a noticeable ‘wallop’. But the more I look into the 7mm SAUM the more I want to start organizing a … Report. The 7mm SAUM suffered from being released later than the 7mm WSM, and very few manufacturers chambering rifles in this caliber. We won’t try to convince the solid copper bullet crew to change their ways – each to their own, and there are certainly reasonable arguments for the penetration copper provides. Parent Case: .375 H&H Magnum 2. SA Ultra Mag. Hornady 150 gr .284 ELD-X hunting bullet ballistics gel test out of a 7mm-08 Savage Lightweight Hunter 2763 fps on impact. Minuteman. Thanks. We stopped at a good node – Clayton’s numbers suggest you could go substantially quicker. This is a on paper comparison, but will help determine real life performance for each cartridge. In the hunting world, well you could shave some weight off this setup and or pack a bit more punch (e.g. Neck: 8.0mm 5. Mar 25, 2013 470 36. The Bolly UPH is a fantastically versatile piece of equipment. Parent Case: .30-03 Springfield 2. Thread starter engineer40; Start date Sep 12, 2016; 1; 2; Next. Thanks. Mine sends a 140 hybrid at 3125fps which is a mild to medium load in my longer barrel. The Gen3 weighs in at an incredibly light 750g and, unlike most after-market stocks, it doesn’t require bedding thanks to its carbon fibre bedding block and carbon pillars. As … Thanks to the long neck it can sensibly use long, high BC projectiles even with a short throat, while still feeding reliably from short action AI style magazines. Remington introduced the 7mm Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM) cartridge in 2002 to compete with the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum cartridge. The idea for this particular rifle was born at the 2018 PRS Australia Ignition Custom Winter Classic (ICWC) PRS match during driving winter rain last year. 7mm Magnum Showdown: 7mm Rem. The low demand for factory ammunition in 7mm SAUM has resulted in a sharp increase in the cost of 7mm SAUM as of mid 2014. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM—a shoot-off to find the best. 1. D. Dixiereaper75 Private. Reply. On the other hand, the ability to send a sleek 160gr projectile down range at over 2750fps provides a substantial advantage on long stages and windy days. November 25, 2019. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. 7mm Mauser (7×57) Load Data; 7mm-08 Remington Load Data; 284 Winchester Load Data; 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data ; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data; 7mm Remington Ultra … Nov 27, 2007 #1 Im a newbie and am researching ideas for a new rifle. We’ve now built numerous PDI Mountain rifles in various calibres with Proof Research carbon barrels, and they are all consistently capable of ½ moa or better. Oct 28, 2018; Add bookmark #28 wpierce said: 7mm PRC with decent factory load and brass options would be great. [1][2], The 7mm SAUM fills also fills a niche in extended long range competitions (700-2100 yards) where it is a popular choice. This greatly improved the concentricity of the cases running into the 7mm SAW FL die and reduced the neck variances to more than acceptable levels. The Story of Black Duck Revival: “I Never Found a Place I Belong, So I’m Making One” Hunting. The old 7mm Rem. Comme l'indique son nom, elle est issue d'une douille de calibre .308 Winchester mais son col a été réduit pour accepter un projectile de 7mm (.284) avec une légère augmentation de la longueur de l'étui. This cartridge duplicates the velocities of the .280 Remington. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. The case capacity for a 7mm Creedmoor and a 7mm-08 would be within 1-2 grains of H2O, so they are basically going to perform the same. Precision Defence Industries Pty Ltd Hello, I am getting into long range target shooting and rarely deer hunting. Performance The 7mm SAUM does not achieve 7mm Remington Magnum velocities or performance. I … BCX Major Hide Member. Home of Bolly Stocks and Ballistic Technology. I don’t have a 7mm-08 yet but bullet weight suggests it would have a lighter recoil as well until you run heavier bullets in the 7mm than in the 308. [3]. If not, go with the CM. However, the 7mm SAW has now worked its way up with the 160gr TMKs from fallow bucks, to a red stag and now a Sambar stag , at ranges from 40 to 400 yards. As good as Trollhammer is, the ability to replicate its hunting performance out to medium ranges (600 yds) with a 7lb setup demonstrates that no rifle is perfect for everything. 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM), "7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum", Learn how and when to remove this template message, "NF ELR Calibers & Cartridges – What The Pros Use", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7mm_Remington_Short_Action_Ultra_Magnum&oldid=986719166, Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum rifle cartridges, Articles needing additional references from March 2012, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 2 November 2020, at 16:09. Neck: 8.6mm 5. In our setup, we’re reliably getting single digit ESs and a very respectable 2750 fps from the relatively short 24” barrel with 160gr Sierra Tipped Matchkings (TMKs). Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". Base: 12.0 mm From the first look, there are no significant differences between 7mm Remington Magnum and .30-06 Springfield when it comes to profile. 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